
Over 30? A MUST-LISTEN for Women! Episode #74 with Dr Deb
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Bioidentical Progesterone Code: DEELEY10
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Estradiol / Estrogen Cream Code: DEELEY
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Estriol / Estrogen Cream Code: DEELEY
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Bioidentical Progesterone Code: DEELEY
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Progesterone + CDB Cream Code: DEELEY
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Organic Maca Supplement Code: ASHLEYDEELEY15
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Organic Black Cohosh
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Wild Harvested Tongkat Ali
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Intrarosa
Intrarosa is comprised of PRASTERONE aka DHEA. Ingredients: prasterone and off-white hard fat (Witepsol). WITEPSOL® suppository compounds consist of glycerol esters of vegetable saturated fatty acids, mainly lauric acid. this is a somewhat clean pharmaceutical.

Products I DO NOT Recommend
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Winona Hormones
Too many chemicals and fillers:
C12 - 15 alkyl benzoate, caprylic/capric triglycerides, cetyl alcohol, ethylhexylglycerin, glycerin USP, glyceryl stearate, hydroxyethyl acrylate/sodium acryloyldimethyl taurate copolymer, oleic acid, olive oil, PEG-100 stearate, polymethylsiloxane, purified water, stearic acid, trolamine NF, and vitamin E acetate
There are too many chemicals to outweigh the benefits in my opinion. OPt for an option above get your hormones from a compounding pharmacy
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Dr. Kellyann
They use herbs which are not organic and contain fillers and milk:
MS-10 Japanese thistle and thyme leaf extract, DIM - Diindolylmethame, chasteberry extract, L-theanine, saffron extract, maca root powder, rhodiola rosea root extract, glucomylase, amylase, cellulase, acid protease, maltase, invertase, glycine, l-proline, and lactobacilus LB FermentateHypromellose, gellan gum, carrot concentrate (natural color), dicalcium phosphate, microcrystalline cellulose, glyceryl dibehenate, bamboo shoot leaf extract
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Alloy Estradiol Gel
I reached out to the company since they don't provide ingredients on their website. Here's the list:
Estradiol
Alcohol (as a base)
Purified water
Carbomer 934P
Triethanolamine
Propylene glycol
I do not approve of these ingredients, especially propylene glycol which acts as a preservative. Propylene glycol can also cause dermatitis and is classified by the ewg as a skin irritant. I do not recommend products from alloy.
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Alloy Oral Estradiol Pill
I don't recommend estrogen pills (nor birth control pills for this same reason).
People who use estrogen-only pills during menopause were more likely to be diagnosed with high blood pressure than those using patches or creams. When taken as a pill, estrogen is predominately metabolized in the liver, where the hormone is turned inactive and then passes from the body via urine and feces. When applied as a patch on the skin, estrogen enters the blood stream and bypasses the liver, while vaginal creams and suppositories are absorbed locally. -
Alloy Estradiol Patch
I reached out to the company since they don't provide ingredients on their website. Here's the list:
Estradiol (active ingredient)
Acrylic adhesive
Silicone adhesive
Oleyl alcohol
Povidone
Dipropylene glycol
Polyester film
These ingredients are deplorable! For instance, Dipropylene glycol is also used in anti-freeze! All products from allot get a hard pass in my book! No thank you!
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Equelle
I don't recommend soy!
Ingredients: S-equol, Dicalcium Phosphate, Fermented Soy Germ, Silicon Dioxide, Croscarmellose Sodium, Magnesium Stearate, Coating (Hypromellose, Glycerin, Hydroxypropyl Cellulose), Microcrystalline Cellulose.Phytoestrogens, found in soy, mimic the actions of estrogen in the body. Although perimenopausal and menopausal women lose estrogen after 35, taking too many phytoestrogens can upset the delicate hormonal balance. Soy contains compounds that may interfere with nutrient absorption and digestion.
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The Wiley Protocol
honestly, these list of chemicals are horrendous:
Purified Water, Glycerin, C12-15 Alkyl benzoate, glyceryl stearate, PEG -100 stearate, Stearic acid, Oleic acid, Olive oil, Hydroxyethyl acrylate/sodium acryloyldimethyl taurate copolymer, Caprylic/capric triglycerides, Phenoxyethanol, Dimethicone, Cetyl alcohol, Squalane, Polysorbate 60, Trolarnine, vitamin E acetate, EttryltExylglycerinebesides the water and olive oil, all of these ingredients are banned in my household and I don't recommend using them!
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IMVEXXY
This is a prescription I am against due to the toxic and carcinogenic ingredient list: Ammonium hydroxide, ethanol, ethyl acetate, ethylene glycol palmitostearate, FD&C Red #40, gelatin, glycerin, isopropyl alcohol, lecithin, medium chain triglycerides, polyethylene glycol, polyethylene glycol stearates, polyvinyl acetate phthalate, propylene glycol, purified water, sorbitol-sorbitan solution, and titanium dioxide.
Red #40 is a known carcinogen. I would never recommend this pharmaceutical. While it's nice estrogen suppositories exist, I do not approve of this product.
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Menopause Method by Dr. David Rosensweet
I personally signed up for this program ($1,600 USD for one year). AT my first appointment the nurse practitioner was astonished I still had a period and felt uneasy about prescribing me hormones. I expected a clinician who specializes in hormones to have a deeper understanding of hormones but she did not. This is a money-making scheme that preys on women.
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Estring
I do not recommend this Vaginal Estrogen Ring (Similar to the birth control ring, Nuva Ring) because it contains the following: Estradiol, silicone polymers, barium sulfate and silicone fluid. While a ring may sound convenient, barium sulfate is a heavy metal. Barium sulfate ore is mined and mostly used by the oil and gas industries to make drilling muds. I would not recommend this product to my friends or family.
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Vagifem
Out of all the pharmaceuticals, this is one I would probably recommend - with a caveat... It contains polyethylene glycol which is a derivative of petrolatum. ingredients: hypromellose, lactose monohydrate, maize starch and magnesium stearate. The film coating contains hypromellose and polyethylene glycol. maize is another word for corn and corn is a food commonly sprayed with pesticides. While not horrible, it's also not amazing.
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Estrace Lotion
This cream uses parabens and sulfates which I do not recommend. Ingredients: purified water, propylene glycol, stearyl alcohol, white ceresin wax, mono- and di-glycerides, hypromellose 2208 (4000 cps), sodium lauryl sulfate, methylparaben, edetate di-sodium and tertiary-butylhydroquinone. They also use propylene glycol which can cause irritation. Hard pass on using such a hard cream on delicate skin. Ask your doctor for compounded estrogen mixed in jojoba oil.
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Premarin
toxic ingredients: a mixture of sodium estrone sulfate and sodium equilin sulfate and other components, including sodium sulfate conjugates: 17 α-dihydroequilin, 17 α-estradiol, and 17 β-dihydroequilin, cetyl esters wax, cetyl alcohol, white wax, glyceryl monostearate, propylene glycol monostearate, methyl stearate, benzyl alcohol, sodium lauryl sulfate, glycerin, and mineral oil.
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Endometrin
This pharmaceutical uses PVP which the EWG has classified as toxic or harmful.
Ingredients: progesterone, lactose monohydrate, polyvinylpyrrolidone, adipic acid, sodium bicarbonate, sodium lauryl sulfate, magnesium stearate, pregelatinized starch, and colloidal silicon dioxide. Hard pass on this suppository.
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Prometrium / Prasterone
These ingredients are shameful: peanut oil NF, gelatin NF, glycerin USP, lecithin NF, titanium dioxide USP, D&C Yellow No. 10, and FD&C Red No. 40. It doesn't make sense to take this pharmaceutical progesterone when topical progesterone is available over the counter. This pill is full of carcinogens and deplorable in every imaginable way.
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Crione
When progesterone is available over the counter, it doesn't make sense to use chemical-laden gel.
ingredietns: progesterone, sorbic acid, glycerine, light liquid paraffin, hydrogenated palm oil glycerides, carbomer 974P, polycarbophil, sodium hydroxide and purified water.
I would never recommend paraffin!
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Osphena
Why use a non-hormonal pill to treat vaginal dryness when studies show bioidentical estrogen is great at treating it!
Ingredients: colloidal silicon dioxide, hypromellose, lactose monohydrate, magnesium stearate, mannitol, microcrystalline cellulose, polyethylene glycol, povidone, pregelatinized starch, sodium starch glycolate, titanium dioxide, & triacetin.

Show Notes
Are you irritable, moody, or not sleeping well? If you're a female close to or over 30, you're experiencing perimenopause and Dr. Deb is here to walk you through your options for managing stress, improving your mood, improving your sleep, and she discusses some very controversial topics.
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4:26: Birth control pills
6:23: Ready to get off birth control? Possibly start a family?
8:45: Birth control shuts off ovulation
9:25: Periods are a vital sign
10:26: What is perimenopause?
11:59: When Progesterone starts to decline
14:06: Symptoms of Perimenopause
16:15: Anxiety for no good reason
16:53: More symptoms of perimenopause
17:55: Symptom relief from perimenopause
18:54: First rule: must manage stress!
21:12: Ovaries on a trajectory downwards at 35
21:30: How to use Progesterone to manage symptoms
22:31: Only use Progesterone on days 14-28 of cycle (or until end of cycle)
23:57: Swap birth control pills for Progesterone and sleep better!
24:43: Progesterone in the form of soy and yams
25:38: Can be used topically and orally
26:03: Not sleeping well? Try capsule form of Progesterone (must get prescription)
27:20: Some women don't do well on Progesterone; it can make symptoms worse
28:08: Ageless: The Naked Truth About Bioidentical Hormones book by Suzanne Somers
28:55: My top hormone recommendations here
30:22: When to start using estrogen
32:56: Estrogen helps our heart, brain, bones, and it's anti-inflammatory; it holds moisture so we don't get dry eyes, dry skin, dry hair, or dry vagina. It keeps tissues elastic so we don't get so many wrinkles and so that we don't get hardening of the arteries and high blood pressure, urinary leakage and UTIs
34:28: Estrogen can help ease joint pain and frozen shoulder
35:15: What is the Women's Health Initiative?
39:41: Breast cancer and estrogen (fear not!)
42:23: Estrogen Matters book by Avrum Bluming
43:40: Herbs to take the edge off perimenopause/menopause
44:26: Why swallowing oral estrogen is not ideal (risk of blood clots)
46:44: Estradiol vs estriol
46:57: Estriol is weaker form of estrogen
48:26: What kind or combo of estrogen Dr Deb recommends (she does NOT recommend estrogen pills)
49:14: Estriol is helpful to use vaginally to keep vagina thriving
50:08: Leans more towards Estradiol over Estriol
50:45: Will estrogen stay on vagina and be transferred to partner during sex?
52:19: Estrogen should be used daily (and forever once you're on bioidentical hormone replacement therapy!)
53:10: Is bioidentical hormone replacement therapy safe if you haven't had a period for over ten years?
53:56: At bare minimum, begin bioidentical hormone replacement therapy within first ten years of final period
55:29: Why are hormones important as we age?
56:56: BIG MYTH: You do NOT have to stop hormones just because you turn a certain age!
59:37: Estrogen is extremely protective after menopause
1:01:40: Dr. Devaki Lindsey Berkson on Welcome to Wellness
1:02:06: Hormones keep your voice box from aging (you can sound youthful into old age like Dr. Berkson!)
1:03:19: Women have more testosterone than estrogen
1:03:37: Testosteron keeps our bones and muscles strong and prevents us from becoming frail
1:04:02: Full of aches and pain or autoimmune conditions? Might be time to try Testosterone!
1:05:51: When and how to take Testosterone (HINT: get your labs measured first!)
1:07:55: Can try DHEA before Testosterone (as DHEA is a precursor to DHEA, just remember to keep your dose between 15-18mg)
1:08:12: Must get Testosterone prescribed by a doctor (no over-the-counter option available)
1:09:27: Optimal level for Testosterone for women: ABOVE 20 AT LEAST
1:09:59: How to measure hormones
1:12:10: Specific day of cycle to test hormones (if you still have a period): DAYS 19-21
1:13:16: Estrogen gives us our waist and figure
1:13:43: As we age and go through menopause, our insulin doesn't work as well (but doctors will tell you your labs look 'normal')
1:14:41: The solution to lose weight after 40 (HINT: you'll want to take bioidentical hormones with a clinician's supervision)
1:16:51: You can keep your eyes young with estrogen too!
1:17:40: Real life story of a woman who was told all her labs looked 'normal' even though she knew there was something wrong...!
1:18:51: If you're on Estrogen, you NEED Progesterone as well
1:19:43: How quickly do hormones start working?
1:20:18: If you begin taking hormones, you will WANT to take them forever
1:21:12: Can't find a doctor who will prescribe hormones? Find a new doctor (My secret tip: call your local compounding pharmacies and ask them to recommend doctors prescribing hormones)
1:22:30: Dr Deb's book (free on Kindle) This is Not Normal or buy the paperback version
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